hello Zetor 7211 / 1988 - dooralong australia

[jack schlachter]

Hi I have owned my tractor for 10 yrs and it has given me very few problems.
however this afternoon the clutch stopped working.There is pressure there but depressing the clutch does not allow me to change gears . If i am in gear then depressing the clutch does not stop the tractor from moving.
Help
jack

 

[Joachim]

Hello,

If the clutch slave cylinder at the bottom is OK (tight), then it can almost only be the clutch master cylinder at the top behind the clutch pedal. Maybe this is leaking (DOT3 brake fluid)?

 

[diyfarmer]

You need to see if you have a leak first, if the vessel has no fluid, top it up and try pump the pedal a few times and see if it give any pedal. If your vessel is empting you'd got a leak. If the fluid is still good, you have more of an operation ahead.

 

[jack schlachter]

Hi thanks for the responses .The brake fluid level has not moved.

 

[diyfarmer]

.The brake fluid level has not moved.

If your not leaking any fluid, looking like your tractor needs an operation so. The clutch plate needs replacing, if it grinds getting a gear, or won't stop when you press the pedal.

 

[Joachim]

Sorry, but you can't say/know that.

If the brake fluid doesn't decrease and the clutch doesn't disengage, there can be several reasons for this:

• one of the three or more clutch fingers is broken or misaligned (the pressure plate no longer moves far enough, the clutch disc doesn't have enough space when the clutch is disengaged and continues to rotate (without traction))
• teeth on the gearbox input shaft and/or the clutch disc driver are worn and/or rusted and/or very dirty (the pressure plate no longer moves far enough, the clutch disc doesn't have enough space when the clutch is disengaged and continues to rotate (without traction))
• pilot bearing defective - this can lead to a drag effect and the gearbox input shaft can also rotate
• gearbox brake incorrectly adjusted or worn

Before the clutch disc driver wears out, the clutch lining will have long since worn out, which would then lead to a slipping clutch.

The 7211 could also have a converter, which could also be the cause of the problem described.

 

[diyfarmer]

Sorry, but you can't say/know that.

I said, it needs an operation, and all the things you mentioned, would require an operation. If it's not leaking brake fluid, it's not something you can fix without needing to spilt. I can't answer what the problem is any better without sitting on the tractor.

 

[jack schlachter]

Thanks everyone.
Bottom line is the tractor needs to be split.
Big job.looking at the cost of 70 hp tractors I reckon it will be worth doing.reckon whole job with new clutch is going to cost about US 2000.
Will let you know what the problem was

 

[Joachim]

Its not a big job - its a job you can do by self its not realy complicated and works without special tools.

Do you have a pallet truck or an engine mounting crane (one of those Chinese things will do)?
You have a right and a left hand?
You can spend one or max two days for repair? (I do this job often for others, I need around 6-7 hours for but other guys are faster as Iam the old man. )

You can do it by self.

Make photos from working steps so we can help you or give hints and save a lot of money.

 

[Joachim]

Two examples...





Of course, the cabin does not have to be dismantled I had to do that here because of other, more extensive repairs - so don't worry.

 

[jack schlachter]

Hi Joachim
Those photos make me nervous.Local tractor mechanic says it is 7 hours to take apart and 7 to put back.Also says the flywheel needs to be machined.Just payed for the new clutch Nearly US$2000.So my cost estimate is way to low.

 

[moliner]

Hi Joachim
Those photos make me nervous.Local tractor mechanic says it is 7 hours to take apart and 7 to put back.Also says the flywheel needs to be machined.Just payed for the new clutch Nearly US$2000.So my cost estimate is way to low.

US$2000 for a clutch sounds very expensive in my ears. I think you can get it in the price range US$500-700 in Europe.

 

[Joachim]

All prices with German VAT (19%):
280mm default clutch plate original LUK/Zetor around 70-130 Euro 280mm
280 mm clutch automate original CZ around 430-550 Euro / PL around 370 to 490 Euro
flywheel original CZ around 400 euro / PL around 320 Euro
pilot beering around 7 to 15 Euro

Time to apart and put back for a workshop that knows what he does around 7 hours - 2 days need a beginner by doing it by self first time. I know friends they do that job in 4-6 hours over night if its needed. No problem with the right tools for a good workshop.

Large workshops in expensive Germany also charge 2,500 to 4,500 euros for clutch repairs. Crazy. Independent workshops that know how to do it charge around 1,500 to 2,000 euros but with spare parts (clutch plate, beerings and automate)!

Also says the flywheel needs to be machined

It is only necessary if it has bumps - grooves like a record. However, this only makes sense if the flywheel does not yet show any heat clouds in the metal and we are talking about a maximum of 0.8 mm.
If the starter ring gear is also defective, a new flywheel currently costs less than the hourly rate for repairs in a workshop.
The ring gear can be turned over, by the way, it does not always have to be replaced. Knock the old one off with an aluminum mandrel and then warm it up and put it back on the other side - voila, it's like new. It takes less than 30 minutes and you can do it yourself.


But yes I know, different countries, different customs and prices...

 

[jack schlachter]

If i did not need the tractor as soon as possible i could have looked at other options but now i just have to pay what they want.Tow truck to the mechanic and back---30min each way is US$100 each way

 

[jack schlachter]

here is a photo of the clutch.as you can see it has actually broken off a piece

 

[Joachim]

Congratulations - it doesn't just look like the clutch disc is broken, but also your pressure plate in the automatic clutch.

What many people don't know is that the ceramic clutch discs last a little longer, but they also ruin the pressure plates in the automatic clutch and the flywheel.

The standard clutch discs don't last that long, but usually don't damage the automatic clutch or the flywheel.

Clutch discs:
Drive clutch - 7001-1189 (preferably original LUK or Zetor )
PTO clutch - 7001-1192 (preferably original Zetor or CZ)
If you absolutely have to have a ceramic clutch again: 7201-1175, here too there is an original and a replica.

The automatic clutch (original Zetor) has the number 7201-1060 but be careful, this is also available as a replica from Poland (Korurs).

The flywheel has the number 7101-0312 and here too there is original CZ (brown) and Polish (black).

And don't forget to change the pilot bearing, it should ALWAYS be reinstalled: 97-1105 preferably as 6304 ZZ or 6304 2Z or 6304 ZZ C3

 

[jack schlachter]

Well it is all back together again and working well.Cost about US 4000 in the end but i think it will be worth it rather than get another tractor

 

[diyfarmer]

it is all back together again and working well

That is good to hear Jack. That's the main thing at the end of the day, is your happy with it. Like of big repair jobs of anything in life, the first thing that hits you is the cost, but when you get it back working and your happy and life returns to normal, it just make the cost worries disappear.

 

[Joachim]

and working well.

Nice to hear.

But it's crazy to read how expensive clutch repairs are in some countries. I thought we have the highest prices in workshops in Germany, so there's probably still room for improvement.

 

[diyfarmer]

80 euro/hour would be the lowest a garage mechanic charges in Ireland. And if it goes through the books that would be plus VAT.

 

[Joachim]

In Germany actual 60 up to 160 euro/hour - in my case around 60 euro. My motto: live and let live.

 

[diyfarmer]

I don't use any tractor garages, but I do get my car serviced, you be talking without anything major just basic oil and filters. around 300 euro