Starting problems 6045

[samtet60]

Having problems starting 6045, replaced solenoid, replaced starter relay, when you turn the key, just a click. Tractor will start if you cross the solenoid. Tks If somebody has a shop manual I would like to purchase one

 

[hala]

I had this problem several times on a 4718 and it was the contact surface on the solenoid that was burned. Replace the solenoid, it is relatively cheap. Nowadays its also cheap to replace the complete starter, etw. 95 buying from ATP Motor.

Hazze

 

[samtet60]

Thanks, but I have replaced the solenoid and had it checked, solenoid working fine

 

[hala]

Well if the solenoid is new it might be the carbon brushes in the starter that is stucked or warned out. Have had the same problem on a MF 265. I presume that the earth connection is OK. Cross the solenoid and if it not starting its the brushes. I guess it is the brushes that have a tendency after many years of service to stuck in their holders due to carbon dust. If you have a multimeter measure the resistance across the starter. Should be less than 0,01 ohm, if no resistance its probably the brushes.
Hazze

 

[hve]

Test the voltage at the Solenoid terminals.
Pull in Winding (from start button) should have >11V when trying to start, but if Brushes are worn it may have 12V as the pull in winding earths via the starter motor.

Voltage on Starter side of Main leads (little short lead going into Starter motor, should have >10V during operation, if there is voltage (10-12v) but no go, then it's likely the brushes.

I suspect the brushes are just making contact, but not enough to pull in the Solenoid, but if you bridge the solenoid they ark and make the starter start to spin, and the vibration makes them contact better and it starts.

This would have been getting progressively worse for some time if the brushes.

If battery voltage is under 9V during cranking it will cook the Starter and you should look at replacing the battery.

Also test Voltage drop (under load) on all leads including the Earth lead, this is more practical than trying to test resistance of .0001 Ohm ..... should be no more than 0.5V loss on any one lead or junction during cranking.

Good luck

 

[samtet60]

Tks, for all the replies, it was a couple of problems, the solenoid was bad the first problem the starter is on the way out but, the lever on the stater that engages with the solenoid was cracked off